From pmh at edison.ioppublishing.com Wed Jul 1 10:39:58 2009 From: pmh at edison.ioppublishing.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 10:39:58 +0100 Subject: [BristolBathPM] Perl 6 "elems" References: <16afc9550906201225m1753c349u19baafabba1df4d8@mail.gmail.com> <20090626095414.GE21061@bytemark.barnyard.co.uk> Message-ID: On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 10:54:15 +0100, David Cantrell wrote: > You would have thought that people would have > learned from one of K&R (I forget which) who said that their biggest > mistake in designing C and the standard library was calling the function > 'creat' instead of 'create'. According to my sigfile (which has been known to be wrong), it was neither: "... spell `creat' with an E." -- Ken Thompson Hmm, I think I'm changing that to the full quote, which the internet reliably informs me is: "If I had to do it over again? Hmm... 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URL: http://mailman.bristolbath.org/pipermail/bristolbathpm/attachments/20090701/b7dc75ce/attachment-0001.html From webmaster at cosmicperl.com Sat Jul 4 00:08:40 2009 From: webmaster at cosmicperl.com (Lyle) Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 00:08:40 +0100 Subject: [BristolBathPM] Perl 6 "elems" In-Reply-To: <16afc9550906211308i455e5d62u21ccbc62cdbbf0e9@mail.gmail.com> References: <16afc9550906201225m1753c349u19baafabba1df4d8@mail.gmail.com> <4A3D4CDE.4080907@googlemail.com> <16afc9550906211308i455e5d62u21ccbc62cdbbf0e9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A4E8F78.5050702@cosmicperl.com> Alex Francis wrote: > On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 9:55 PM, Max > wrote: > > length could refer to a number of properties as could count and size > also all three are used by lots of other languages. elems is a > shortend > version of elements which describes accurately what the number > returned is. > > Max > > Out of curiosity, I did a quick google survey of what some other > languages call this. The results: > java: length > javascript: length > c#: Length > python: len > ruby: length > php: count(array), sizeof(array) (sizeof is an alias for count) > erlang: size(tuple), length(list), size(array) > eiffel: count (I think!) > > I still think 'count' is relatively unambiguous and more obvious than > 'elems', but nobody asked me to design Perl 6 - and I'm a little > alarmed to be agreeing with PHP about 'count' - so I think I'll shut up! As far as I understand nothing in P6 is written in stone (well not yet anyway). It may well be worth asking the people on the perl6 IRC channel. I found them to be very friendly and open... Lyle From webmaster at cosmicperl.com Tue Jul 7 20:38:42 2009 From: webmaster at cosmicperl.com (Lyle) Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 20:38:42 +0100 Subject: [BristolBathPM] First free Perl programming course for Schools complete Message-ID: <4A53A442.8030003@cosmicperl.com> Hi All, Just an update to say the free Perl programming course I ran for the local school has finished. Total of 5, 1hr lessons over 5 weeks. The class had an average of 13 students aged 11 to 16 (despite me stipulating 13 - 19). 3 did very well, 3 did well when they focused, 3 were just a pain trying to show off all the time, the rest tried hard. I was quite surprised that given this was a totally optional after school class, 1 seemed to turn up just to make things difficult. The mind boggles... Today was the last class, the kid that was a real pain didn't show up, probably because I sent him out the previous week. 2 girls played up extra in his absence (they were all friends), I had to tell one to sit in the corner. After the class I found a couple of the lads that did very well waiting by the gate, one had written me a thank you card which was quite touching. Although after reading the card I noticed the two girls I'd told off had been picked up and were giving me the finger from the back of their parents car. Seems you can't please everyone :s The 3 that were are problem were all aged 11 & 12, so it seems the 13 minimum stipulation was right in the first place. At the next school I'll re-enforce this point more. I'm probably going to post the course material I put together in parts, with the hope you'll point out the bits I missed, terminology I got wrong, grammar, etc. Once that's done I'll get it online, update PerlProject.org and take on the much harder task of trying to convince other Perl groups around the country to offer the same... Lyle From psykx.out at googlemail.com Tue Jul 7 21:52:33 2009 From: psykx.out at googlemail.com (Max) Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 21:52:33 +0100 Subject: [BristolBathPM] First free Perl programming course for Schools complete In-Reply-To: <4A53A442.8030003@cosmicperl.com> References: <4A53A442.8030003@cosmicperl.com> Message-ID: <4A53B591.7090508@googlemail.com> Lyle wrote: > Hi All, > Just an update to say the free Perl programming course I ran for the > local school has finished. Total of 5, 1hr lessons over 5 weeks. The > class had an average of 13 students aged 11 to 16 (despite me > stipulating 13 - 19). 3 did very well, 3 did well when they focused, 3 > were just a pain trying to show off all the time, the rest tried hard. > > I was quite surprised that given this was a totally optional after > school class, 1 seemed to turn up just to make things difficult. The > mind boggles... > > Today was the last class, the kid that was a real pain didn't show up, > probably because I sent him out the previous week. 2 girls played up > extra in his absence (they were all friends), I had to tell one to sit > in the corner. After the class I found a couple of the lads that did > very well waiting by the gate, one had written me a thank you card which > was quite touching. Although after reading the card I noticed the two > girls I'd told off had been picked up and were giving me the finger from > the back of their parents car. Seems you can't please everyone :s > > The 3 that were are problem were all aged 11 & 12, so it seems the 13 > minimum stipulation was right in the first place. At the next school > I'll re-enforce this point more. > > I'm probably going to post the course material I put together in parts, > with the hope you'll point out the bits I missed, terminology I got > wrong, grammar, etc. > > Once that's done I'll get it online, update PerlProject.org and take on > the much harder task of trying to convince other Perl groups around the > country to offer the same... > > > Lyle > > _______________________________________________ > BristolBathPM mailing list > BristolBathPM at bristolbath.org > http://mailman.bristolbath.org/mailman/listinfo/bristolbathpm > Wow, seems like you did real good, or as my little brother would say "big props". Can I ask what the three who where particularly good where interested by in particular or was the class too general to say? I'm also rather surprised that any girls showed up at all. Max From webmaster at cosmicperl.com Tue Jul 7 22:07:56 2009 From: webmaster at cosmicperl.com (Lyle) Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 22:07:56 +0100 Subject: [BristolBathPM] First free Perl programming course for Schools complete In-Reply-To: <4A53B591.7090508@googlemail.com> References: <4A53A442.8030003@cosmicperl.com> <4A53B591.7090508@googlemail.com> Message-ID: <4A53B92C.1000803@cosmicperl.com> Max wrote: > Lyle wrote: > >> ...Once that's done I'll get it online, update PerlProject.org and take on >> the much harder task of trying to convince other Perl groups around the >> country to offer the same... >> >> >> Lyle >> > Wow, seems like you did real good, or as my little brother would say > "big props". Can I ask what the three who where particularly good where > interested by in particular or was the class too general to say? I'm > also rather surprised that any girls showed up at all. > > Max > One was into Linux and brought in Ubuntu on a stick, I think another just wants to be a programmer (he's the one who gave me the card) the other was that guys mate (I got the feeling he was more there to accompany his friend, but still picked it up well). I'm hoping the next school I arrange it with has a sixth form. Certainly the older kids were picking it up easier and we much better behaved. Lyle From pmh at edison.ioppublishing.com Mon Jul 13 09:15:12 2009 From: pmh at edison.ioppublishing.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 09:15:12 +0100 Subject: [BristolBathPM] Bath social meet Message-ID: The next social meeting is in Bath next Tuesday, and there's been no talk of picking a venue yet. I don't want to tread on Nige's toes, but we ought to choose somewhere within the next couple of days. -- Please sponsor me: http://justgiving.com/zip60peter "The brainium contains the brain, the borax contains the heart and lungs, and the abominable cavity contains the bowels, of which there are five - a, e, i, o and u." -- Science exam answer This email (and attachments) are confidential and intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient please notify the sender, delete any copies and do not take action in reliance on it. Any views expressed are the author's and do not represent those of IOP, except where specifically stated. IOP takes reasonable precautions to protect against viruses but accepts no responsibility for loss or damage arising from virus infection. For the protection of IOP's systems and staff emails are scanned automatically.? 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Lyle From nigel at turbo10.com Mon Jul 13 22:37:02 2009 From: nigel at turbo10.com (Nigel Hamilton) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:37:02 +0100 Subject: [BristolBathPM] Bath social meet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <50fec4060907131437l6a9cd95u5aa0afb67b71c240@mail.gmail.com> Hi All, Sorry for not getting back sooner. Here are the details: Bath Summer BBQ . featuring ducks, boats, a pink BBQ and Perl . come and sit by the Kennet and Avon Canal and enjoy the company of your fellow Perl Mongers . there will be sausages, salad and lager . feel free to bring along anything else you might like 4 Sydney Buildings Bath BA2 6BZ ph 01225 330 977 Nige 2009/7/13 Peter Haworth > > > The next social meeting is in Bath next Tuesday, and there's been no > talk of picking a venue yet. 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URL: http://mailman.bristolbath.org/pipermail/bristolbathpm/attachments/20090713/aa871fe4/attachment.html From webmaster at cosmicperl.com Tue Jul 14 02:16:18 2009 From: webmaster at cosmicperl.com (Lyle) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 02:16:18 +0100 Subject: [BristolBathPM] Bath social meet In-Reply-To: <50fec4060907131437l6a9cd95u5aa0afb67b71c240@mail.gmail.com> References: <50fec4060907131437l6a9cd95u5aa0afb67b71c240@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A5BDC62.1070604@cosmicperl.com> Nigel Hamilton wrote: > Hi All, > > Sorry for not getting back sooner. Here are the details: > > Bath Summer BBQ > > . featuring ducks, boats, a pink BBQ and Perl > . come and sit by the Kennet and Avon Canal and enjoy the company > of your fellow Perl Mongers > . there will be sausages, salad and lager > . feel free to bring along anything else you might like > > 4 Sydney Buildings > Bath BA2 6BZ > ph 01225 330 977 7pm 21st July. Lyle From pmh at edison.ioppublishing.com Tue Jul 14 16:05:30 2009 From: pmh at edison.ioppublishing.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:05:30 +0100 Subject: [BristolBathPM] Bath social meet References: Message-ID: Excellent stuff. I finally have some camels, but they may be a bit redundant for perl monger identification purposes at this meet. I'll bring them along anyway; they're very nice. Nigel Hamilton wrote: > Sorry for not getting back sooner. Here are the details: > > Bath Summer BBQ > > . featuring ducks, boats, a pink BBQ and Perl > . come and sit by the Kennet and Avon Canal and enjoy the company > of your fellow Perl Mongers > . there will be sausages, salad and lager > . feel free to bring along anything else you might like > > 4 Sydney Buildings > Bath BA2 6BZ > ph 01225 330 977 -- Peter Haworth pmh at edison.ioppublishing.com "Microsoft, I think, is fundamentally an evil company." -- James Clark, Netscape This email (and attachments) are confidential and intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient please notify the sender, delete any copies and do not take action in reliance on it. Any views expressed are the author's and do not represent those of IOP, except where specifically stated. IOP takes reasonable precautions to protect against viruses but accepts no responsibility for loss or damage arising from virus infection. For the protection of IOP's systems and staff emails are scanned automatically.? Institute of Physics Registered in England under Registration No 293851 Registered Office: 76/78 Portland Place, London W1B 1NT -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.bristolbath.org/pipermail/bristolbathpm/attachments/20090714/45bef460/attachment-0001.html From webmaster at cosmicperl.com Wed Jul 15 22:21:28 2009 From: webmaster at cosmicperl.com (Lyle) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 22:21:28 +0100 Subject: [BristolBathPM] Who's driving? [Bath meet] Message-ID: <4A5E4858.6030300@cosmicperl.com> Hi All, Who's driving to this? Any chance of a lift? Otherwise I'll drive... Lyle From nigel at turbo10.com Tue Jul 21 09:10:26 2009 From: nigel at turbo10.com (Nigel Hamilton) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 09:10:26 +0100 Subject: [BristolBathPM] Rain will not stop play! Message-ID: <50fec4060907210110r4b81c029jc96e75de3e60c4ad@mail.gmail.com> Apparently the weather won't be that bad by this evening. Looking forward to having our Summer BBQ in Bath tonight [1]. ;-) See you there. NIge [1] http://perl.bristolbath.org/?Meetings -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.bristolbath.org/pipermail/bristolbathpm/attachments/20090721/b3cfadaa/attachment.html From alex.francis at gmail.com Tue Jul 21 10:53:49 2009 From: alex.francis at gmail.com (Alex Francis) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 10:53:49 +0100 Subject: [BristolBathPM] Who's driving? [Bath meet] In-Reply-To: <4A5E4858.6030300@cosmicperl.com> References: <4A5E4858.6030300@cosmicperl.com> Message-ID: <16afc9550907210253s4f370c08kf27a6d6d85882651@mail.gmail.com> Hi Lyle - turns out I shall be driving. Give me a buzz if you'd like a lift. Alex On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 10:21 PM, Lyle wrote: > Hi All, > ?Who's driving to this? Any chance of a lift? Otherwise I'll drive... > > > Lyle > > _______________________________________________ > BristolBathPM mailing list > BristolBathPM at bristolbath.org > http://mailman.bristolbath.org/mailman/listinfo/bristolbathpm > From robin.ge at gmail.com Tue Jul 21 22:47:32 2009 From: robin.ge at gmail.com (Robin Edwards) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 22:47:32 +0100 Subject: [BristolBathPM] Rain will not stop play! In-Reply-To: <50fec4060907210110r4b81c029jc96e75de3e60c4ad@mail.gmail.com> References: <50fec4060907210110r4b81c029jc96e75de3e60c4ad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <303603130907211447p5e6fe5a6g560870555303b8a9@mail.gmail.com> Hey, Sorry I couldn't make it guys, wasn't to well today been off work with a bug. How did it go? Rob From webmaster at cosmicperl.com Wed Jul 22 00:02:11 2009 From: webmaster at cosmicperl.com (Lyle) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 00:02:11 +0100 Subject: [BristolBathPM] Rain will not stop play! In-Reply-To: <303603130907211447p5e6fe5a6g560870555303b8a9@mail.gmail.com> References: <50fec4060907210110r4b81c029jc96e75de3e60c4ad@mail.gmail.com> <303603130907211447p5e6fe5a6g560870555303b8a9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A6648F3.7060709@cosmicperl.com> Robin Edwards wrote: > Hey, > > Sorry I couldn't make it guys, wasn't to well today been off work with > a bug. How did it go Went well, we were hoping you'd make it... There has been a bug going round, I was terrible a couple of weeks ago. Lyle From pmh at edison.ioppublishing.com Thu Jul 23 10:44:41 2009 From: pmh at edison.ioppublishing.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 10:44:41 +0100 Subject: [BristolBathPM] Rain will not stop play! References: <50fec4060907210110r4b81c029jc96e75de3e60c4ad@mail.gmail.com> <303603130907211447p5e6fe5a6g560870555303b8a9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 22:47:32 +0100, Robin Edwards wrote: > Sorry I couldn't make it guys, wasn't to well today been off work > with a bug. How did it go? You missed a good un'. Thanks very much to Nigel for hosting, and to him and his family for preparing the food and putting up with us invading on his wedding anniversary (I think I remember that right, but it may have been a birthday). Thanks also to Alex for giving lifts to the whole world. -- Peter Haworth pmh at edison.ioppublishing.com "Genetic engineering raises all kinds of unanswerable moral and ethical questions. Maybe in the future we'll be able to breed super intelligent gibbons to answer them" -- Alexei Sayle This email (and attachments) are confidential and intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient please notify the sender, delete any copies and do not take action in reliance on it. Any views expressed are the author's and do not represent those of IOP, except where specifically stated. IOP takes reasonable precautions to protect against viruses but accepts no responsibility for loss or damage arising from virus infection. 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I was at a meeting at which someone was showing how they helped develop a program that parses the Bible. Would you be able to supply me that link? Thanks Allen From: bristolbathpm-bounces at bristolbath.org [mailto:bristolbathpm-bounces at bristolbath.org] On Behalf Of Peter Haworth Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 5:45 AM To: Bristol and Bath Perl M[ou]ngers Subject: Re: [BristolBathPM] Rain will not stop play! On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 22:47:32 +0100, Robin Edwards wrote: > Sorry I couldn't make it guys, wasn't to well today been off work > with a bug. How did it go? You missed a good un'. Thanks very much to Nigel for hosting, and to him and his family for preparing the food and putting up with us invading on his wedding anniversary (I think I remember that right, but it may have been a birthday). Thanks also to Alex for giving lifts to the whole world. -- Peter Haworth pmh at edison.ioppublishing.com "Genetic engineering raises all kinds of unanswerable moral and ethical questions. 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