From webmaster at cosmicperl.com Mon Mar 2 21:54:39 2009 From: webmaster at cosmicperl.com (Lyle) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 21:54:39 +0000 Subject: [BristolBathPM] ::Gist a new type of module for CPAN? In-Reply-To: <50fec4060902180034j5ec123a1heaf081f0548f4425@mail.gmail.com> References: <50fec4060902180034j5ec123a1heaf081f0548f4425@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49AC559F.9070804@cosmicperl.com> Nigel Hamilton wrote: > * POD less than one page - guaranteed Does this include the synopsis? This could potentially make things very tricky. Also one page will need to be defined in rows and columns as the size of a page depends on your resolution or windows size. How about max one page synopsis and one page description? Not including credits and links to other modules, otherwise most your page is going to be taken up by copyright, credits and links. A cut a paste synopsis for a complicated module like Data::FormValidator would need a couple of examples and would again take up a lot of the page. I'm looking at doing the Gist::Email you suggested based on Email::Stuff that I recently patched. Or would that be Gist::Email::Stuff? Is one rule to keep the naming of the gisted module? Would probably be a good idea to prevent clashes or confusion, or would it? Lyle From webmaster at cosmicperl.com Tue Mar 3 00:24:39 2009 From: webmaster at cosmicperl.com (Lyle) Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2009 00:24:39 +0000 Subject: [BristolBathPM] Jobs Message-ID: <49AC78C7.5020103@cosmicperl.com> Hi All, As there has been a lot about jobs recently, I thought I'd post this that I just came across:- http://www.onemogin.com/blog/596-come-work-for-us Lyle From nigel at turbo10.com Tue Mar 3 06:02:34 2009 From: nigel at turbo10.com (Nigel Hamilton) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 06:02:34 +0000 Subject: [BristolBathPM] ::Gist a new type of module for CPAN? In-Reply-To: <49AC559F.9070804@cosmicperl.com> References: <50fec4060902180034j5ec123a1heaf081f0548f4425@mail.gmail.com> <49AC559F.9070804@cosmicperl.com> Message-ID: <50fec4060903022202ge6a4119w865d692b63464d66@mail.gmail.com> HI Lyle, > Nigel Hamilton wrote: > > * POD less than one page - guaranteed > > Does this include the synopsis? This could potentially make things very > tricky. Also one page will need to be defined in rows and columns as the > size of a page depends on your resolution or windows size. > Good points. I was going to try and take the Gist of some modules first to see what is practical. A one page synopsis is definitely too short - but I really think less is more - especially when reading web text. The Gist:: module text is more like a road sign that someone passes at high speed - it shouldn't slow you down. Ideally the visible bit at the top of the POD is enough for people to cut-and-paste and be on their way. > How about max one page synopsis and one page description? Not including > credits and links to other modules, otherwise most your page is going to > be taken up by copyright, credits and links. A cut a paste synopsis for > a complicated module like Data::FormValidator would need a couple of > examples and would again take up a lot of the page. > Yes. I think the goal would be to extract the 95% case of module usage. What do 95% of the people who use this module actually/really/truthfully use it for? What is the primary itch that this module can scratch? I think a good starting point is to look at how you use a module - would other's do the same? If so, then this is the beginning of finding the Gist of the module. > > I'm looking at doing the Gist::Email you suggested based on Email::Stuff > that I recently patched. Or would that be Gist::Email::Stuff? Is one > rule to keep the naming of the gisted module? Yes. I think the Gist name is just a pointer to the actual module. So that would be Gist::Email::Stuff. If someone never downloads the Gist module but is pointed to the real underlying module then I count that as a success. You could imagine someone searching Google for a problem (i.e., "program to send email attachments") then arriving at Gist::Email::Stuff (because the synopsis is SEOed for the problem space) but then quickly upgrading to Email::Stuff (optimised for the solution space). I don't know how this will work out in practice. But the next step is to try taking the Gist:: out of some modules and come up with a checklist (tm). NIge -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.bristolbath.org/pipermail/bristolbathpm/attachments/20090303/3741c3e7/attachment.html From webmaster at cosmicperl.com Wed Mar 4 19:43:46 2009 From: webmaster at cosmicperl.com (Lyle) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 19:43:46 +0000 Subject: [BristolBathPM] Companies/Programmers for hire [Was: Jobs?] In-Reply-To: <499d6dca.Y64Io70ZnHOoRHYD%mjr@phonecoop.coop> References: <4999CB33.10706@cosmicperl.com> <1234871169.8817.1.camel@localhost> <1234873778.8817.5.camel@localhost> <499AB0EF.1090204@cosmicperl.com> <499AB884.6080207@cosmicperl.com> <20090217144445.GG12438@bytemark.barnyard.co.uk> <499d6dca.Y64Io70ZnHOoRHYD%mjr@phonecoop.coop> Message-ID: <49AED9F2.4070105@cosmicperl.com> MJ Ray wrote: > Sympa is a usable perl mailing list manager. http://www.sympa.org/ What features/functionality/anything would you say mailman has over Sympa? Lyle From mjr at phonecoop.coop Wed Mar 4 21:45:24 2009 From: mjr at phonecoop.coop (MJ Ray) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 21:45:24 +0000 Subject: [BristolBathPM] Companies/Programmers for hire [Was: Jobs?] In-Reply-To: <49AED9F2.4070105@cosmicperl.com> References: <4999CB33.10706@cosmicperl.com> <1234871169.8817.1.camel@localhost> <1234873778.8817.5.camel@localhost> <499AB0EF.1090204@cosmicperl.com> <499AB884.6080207@cosmicperl.com> <20090217144445.GG12438@bytemark.barnyard.co.uk> <499d6dca.Y64Io70ZnHOoRHYD%mjr@phonecoop.coop> <49AED9F2.4070105@cosmicperl.com> Message-ID: <49aef674.24Cnk8xB3zOsGOED%mjr@phonecoop.coop> Lyle asked: > What features/functionality/anything would you say mailman has over > Sympa? I found this answer: "Sympa?s functional versatility makes it more difficult to install and set-up. However, given its architecture allowing maximal delegation, the possibilities it offers for customisation and growth, it presently remains the best solution to build a list server for professional delivery." at http://www.sympa.org/documentation/mailmanvssympa.html I'd say that's still a fairly accurate summary, but package managers reduce the severity of the problem. Hope that helps, -- MJ Ray (slef) Webmaster for hire, statistician and online shop builder for a small worker cooperative http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ (Notice http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html) tel:+44-844-4437-237 From webmaster at cosmicperl.com Fri Mar 6 15:07:15 2009 From: webmaster at cosmicperl.com (Lyle) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 15:07:15 +0000 Subject: [BristolBathPM] Meet venue suggestions Message-ID: <49B13C23.6050306@cosmicperl.com> Hi All, I feel like it's time for a change. As Peter and Alex live relatively close to each other maybe we should try a friendly pub near there? Downside is it'd be a bit further for people coming from the station... Lyle From something at amias.org.uk Fri Mar 6 15:37:03 2009 From: something at amias.org.uk (Amias Channer) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 15:37:03 +0000 Subject: [BristolBathPM] Meet venue suggestions In-Reply-To: <49B13C23.6050306@cosmicperl.com> References: <49B13C23.6050306@cosmicperl.com> Message-ID: <1236353823.7699.43.camel@localhost> On Fri, 2009-03-06 at 15:07 +0000, Lyle wrote: > Hi All, > I feel like it's time for a change. As Peter and Alex live relatively > close to each other maybe we should try a friendly pub near there? > Downside is it'd be a bit further for people coming from the station... but but but , the cornubia is perfect ! Toodle-pip Amias From sartak at bestpractical.com Sat Mar 7 00:23:36 2009 From: sartak at bestpractical.com (Shawn M Moore) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 19:23:36 -0500 Subject: [BristolBathPM] Code Contest In-Reply-To: <4991D0DB.6050700@cosmicperl.com> References: <499199C8.6070401@cosmicperl.com> <4991D0DB.6050700@cosmicperl.com> Message-ID: <20090307002336.GA10661@bestpractical.com> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 07:09:15PM +0000, Lyle wrote: > Just to let everyone know I emailed Shawn M Moore (the author of Mouse) > about this contest and he has joined this list in order to answer any > questions you may have. > > Welcome Shawn :) > > > Lyle Hi folks, Matsuno Tokuhiro, one of the Mouse developers, figured out what prevented Mouse from living happily on 5.6. Older versions of Scalar::Util would return true for looks_like_number(undef). The fix was to force a dependency of 1.14, which was first released with 5.8.5 (this explains the similar 5.8.4 failures). I just uploaded Mouse 0.18 to CPAN, so hopefully I'll finally start getting full green test results. Thanks for raising the issue, Lyle! Shawn From webmaster at cosmicperl.com Sat Mar 7 00:33:45 2009 From: webmaster at cosmicperl.com (Lyle) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 00:33:45 +0000 Subject: [BristolBathPM] Code Contest In-Reply-To: <20090307002336.GA10661@bestpractical.com> References: <499199C8.6070401@cosmicperl.com> <4991D0DB.6050700@cosmicperl.com> <20090307002336.GA10661@bestpractical.com> Message-ID: <49B1C0E9.400@cosmicperl.com> Shawn M Moore wrote: > On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 07:09:15PM +0000, Lyle wrote: > >> Just to let everyone know I emailed Shawn M Moore (the author of Mouse) >> about this contest and he has joined this list in order to answer any >> questions you may have. >> >> Welcome Shawn :) >> >> >> Lyle >> > > Hi folks, > > Matsuno Tokuhiro, one of the Mouse developers, figured out what > prevented Mouse from living happily on 5.6. Older versions of > Scalar::Util would return true for looks_like_number(undef). The fix was > to force a dependency of 1.14, which was first released with 5.8.5 (this > explains the similar 5.8.4 failures). > > I just uploaded Mouse 0.18 to CPAN, so hopefully I'll finally start > getting full green test results. > > Thanks for raising the issue, Lyle! > Damn, I was going to work on that this weekend. Looks like someone beat us to it! Good stuff though ;) Now I can use Mouse without worrying about backwards compatibility to 5.6 :) Lyle P.S. I'm open to suggestions for the next code contest... From mjr at phonecoop.coop Sat Mar 7 10:23:27 2009 From: mjr at phonecoop.coop (MJ Ray) Date: Sat, 07 Mar 2009 10:23:27 +0000 Subject: [BristolBathPM] Meet venue suggestions In-Reply-To: <49B13C23.6050306@cosmicperl.com> References: <49B13C23.6050306@cosmicperl.com> Message-ID: <49b24b1f.xwPqMAlP9ZsmsmGN%mjr@phonecoop.coop> Lyle wrote: > I feel like it's time for a change. As Peter and Alex live relatively > close to each other maybe we should try a friendly pub near there? > Downside is it'd be a bit further for people coming from the station... Near where? My main problem getting to meetings is time: they seem to be irregular weekday evenings, I see the announcements fairly late (they might be sent earlier and I don't spot them soon enough, which would be mainly my fault) and it's about 50-50 whether I'm still travelling back from a job lately. As to venues: centralish Bristol is fairly easy, outlying Bristol and Bath are trickier but OK if there's mass transport or good cycle parking. Meets are attractive when there's some planned feature of the meeting. I mean, most of you are lovely people, but I know other lovely people to go sit in a pub with of an evening and can do that with less travel. Hope that helps, -- MJ Ray (slef) Webmaster for hire, statistician and online shop builder for a small worker cooperative http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ (Notice http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html) tel:+44-844-4437-237 From nigel at turbo10.com Sat Mar 7 13:19:07 2009 From: nigel at turbo10.com (Nigel Hamilton) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 13:19:07 +0000 Subject: [BristolBathPM] Meet venue suggestions In-Reply-To: <1236353823.7699.43.camel@localhost> References: <49B13C23.6050306@cosmicperl.com> <1236353823.7699.43.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <50fec4060903070519p281e828cyfbeda5b2bd3aa47c@mail.gmail.com> > > > > I feel like it's time for a change. As Peter and Alex live relatively > > close to each other maybe we should try a friendly pub near there? > > Downside is it'd be a bit further for people coming from the station... > > but but but , the cornubia is perfect ! > I like the Cornubia too --- and remember there was a closet Perl monger there by accident. Nige -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.bristolbath.org/pipermail/bristolbathpm/attachments/20090307/e0a7de99/attachment.html From alex.francis at gmail.com Sat Mar 7 20:40:24 2009 From: alex.francis at gmail.com (Alex Francis) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 20:40:24 +0000 Subject: [BristolBathPM] Meet venue suggestions In-Reply-To: <50fec4060903070519p281e828cyfbeda5b2bd3aa47c@mail.gmail.com> References: <49B13C23.6050306@cosmicperl.com> <1236353823.7699.43.camel@localhost> <50fec4060903070519p281e828cyfbeda5b2bd3aa47c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <16afc9550903071240h4ad4c996ha59fc25a052b5f17@mail.gmail.com> On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Nigel Hamilton wrote: >> >> > ? I feel like it's time for a change. As Peter and Alex live relatively >> > close to each other maybe we should try a friendly pub near there? >> > Downside is it'd be a bit further for people coming from the station... >> >> but but but , the cornubia is perfect ! > > I like the Cornubia too --- and remember there was a closet Perl monger > there by accident. > Nige I'm happy to come down to town for the Cornubia... ... but if you really wanted to give me an easy life we could meet in the Tinto Lounge. It's on Gloucester Road so fine for bus routes, has free wifi (after registration, which then covers you in all the lounges). Periodically very busy but I reckon would be quiet enough on a Tuesday night. Or if you were thinking somewhere in between, possibles on the way up: - Pipe and Slippers on Cheltenham Road - Hillgrove up on Dove Street (nice pub! haven't been there in years though) - Prince of Wales on Gloucester Road - Bristol Flyer on Gloucester Road (bit studenty but spacious) - Golden Lion on Gloucester Road If I was, say, 10 years younger and not recently a new dad, I'd probably suggest a pub crawl to locate the "perfect Bristol venue". Alex From something at amias.org.uk Sun Mar 8 16:16:14 2009 From: something at amias.org.uk (Amias Channer) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 16:16:14 +0000 Subject: [BristolBathPM] Meet venue suggestions In-Reply-To: <16afc9550903071240h4ad4c996ha59fc25a052b5f17@mail.gmail.com> References: <49B13C23.6050306@cosmicperl.com> <1236353823.7699.43.camel@localhost> <50fec4060903070519p281e828cyfbeda5b2bd3aa47c@mail.gmail.com> <16afc9550903071240h4ad4c996ha59fc25a052b5f17@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1236528974.14125.8.camel@localhost> On Sat, 2009-03-07 at 20:40 +0000, Alex Francis wrote: > On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 1:19 PM, Nigel Hamilton wrote: > >> > >> > I feel like it's time for a change. As Peter and Alex live relatively > >> > close to each other maybe we should try a friendly pub near there? > >> > Downside is it'd be a bit further for people coming from the station... > >> > >> but but but , the cornubia is perfect ! > > > > I like the Cornubia too --- and remember there was a closet Perl monger > > there by accident. > > Nige > > I'm happy to come down to town for the Cornubia... The other option i suppose would be to meet at hamilton house on stokes croft , its a big office building where i work that is being converted into a sustainable development for the local community. Lyle and I have spoken about having a tech meet / perl workshop kind of event there and if this is the plan then we should check it out as a group. There is a bar downstairs but its not normally open (yet!) or we could bring our own. There is a wifi and wired networking with an uplink be broadband but soon to be via a bristol wireless link to BMEX . Tis an option ... Toodle-pip Amias From webmaster at cosmicperl.com Sun Mar 8 21:50:44 2009 From: webmaster at cosmicperl.com (Lyle) Date: Sun, 08 Mar 2009 21:50:44 +0000 Subject: [BristolBathPM] Meet venue suggestions In-Reply-To: <1236528974.14125.8.camel@localhost> References: <49B13C23.6050306@cosmicperl.com> <1236353823.7699.43.camel@localhost> <50fec4060903070519p281e828cyfbeda5b2bd3aa47c@mail.gmail.com> <16afc9550903071240h4ad4c996ha59fc25a052b5f17@mail.gmail.com> <1236528974.14125.8.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <49B43DB4.9000305@cosmicperl.com> Amias Channer wrote: > The other option i suppose would be to meet at hamilton house on stokes > croft , its a big office building where i work that is being converted > into a sustainable development for the local community. Lyle and I have > spoken about having a tech meet / perl workshop kind of event there and > if this is the plan then we should check it out as a group. > The tech meet is approaching and it would be good for everyone to see Hamilton House beforehand. How about rendezvous in a friendly pub near by. Once we are all together, we visit Hamilton House for a few mins then maybe the pub crawl Alex was on about? Would be worth a shot at least once. Lyle From pmh at edison.ioppublishing.com Mon Mar 9 11:31:02 2009 From: pmh at edison.ioppublishing.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 11:31:02 +0000 Subject: [BristolBathPM] Meet venue suggestions References: <49B13C23.6050306@cosmicperl.com> <49b24b1f.xwPqMAlP9ZsmsmGN%mjr@phonecoop.coop> Message-ID: On Sat, 07 Mar 2009 10:23:27 +0000, MJ Ray wrote: > Lyle wrote: > > I feel like it's time for a change. As Peter and Alex live > > relatively close to each other maybe we should try a friendly > > pub near there? Downside is it'd be a bit further for people > > coming from the station... > > Near where? Gloucester Road, but shouldn't we be holding meetings in places which are easy to reach for people who wouldn't otherwise turn up, rather than favouring the hardcore who are going to turn up anyway? > My main problem getting to meetings is time: they seem to be > irregular weekday evenings, I see the announcements fairly late > (they might be sent earlier and I don't spot them soon enough, It's only the locations which are irregular and decided late. Meetings are held on the third Tuesday of every month, alternating between Bristol and Bath. The next one is somewhere in Bristol on the 17th of March. I've updated the meetings page to reflect this more clearly. The Tinto Lounge would be pretty convenient for me, and the features Alex mentioned seem appealing. He didn't mention that they also serve nice food. Alternatively, Amias has previously suggested the Miner's Arms in St Werburgh's, which is where I thought we had roughly decided on for the March meeting. I might actually be able to get home before midnight from either of those, which would please my wife no end. There's nothing wrong with the Cornubia though, and it does seem to be our default Bristol location now. > Meets are attractive when there's some planned feature of the > meeting. I mean, most of you are lovely people, but I know other > lovely people to go sit in a pub with of an evening and can do that > with less travel. Good point, but the monthly meetings are more a social thing than the tech meetings (assuming we get those going successfully). That said, we have had lightning talks at previous meetings, and of course everyone is more than welcome to suggest features which would attract them. -- Peter Haworth pmh at edison.ioppublishing.com "If you can teach dogs to salivate at a bell, you can probably teach them to salivate at a dog biscuit." -- Larry Wall This email (and attachments) are confidential and intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient please notify the sender, delete any copies and do not take action in reliance on it. Any views expressed are the author's and do not represent those of IOP, except where specifically stated. IOP takes reasonable precautions to protect against viruses but accepts no responsibility for loss or damage arising from virus infection. For the protection of IOP's systems and staff emails are scanned automatically.? Institute of Physics Registered in England under Registration No 293851 Registered Office: 76/78 Portland Place, London W1B 1NT -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.bristolbath.org/pipermail/bristolbathpm/attachments/20090309/3d26d9b2/attachment-0001.html From something at amias.org.uk Mon Mar 9 12:28:40 2009 From: something at amias.org.uk (Amias Channer) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 12:28:40 +0000 Subject: [BristolBathPM] Meet venue suggestions In-Reply-To: <49B43DB4.9000305@cosmicperl.com> References: <49B13C23.6050306@cosmicperl.com> <1236353823.7699.43.camel@localhost> <50fec4060903070519p281e828cyfbeda5b2bd3aa47c@mail.gmail.com> <16afc9550903071240h4ad4c996ha59fc25a052b5f17@mail.gmail.com> <1236528974.14125.8.camel@localhost> <49B43DB4.9000305@cosmicperl.com> Message-ID: <1236601720.8903.10.camel@localhost> On Sun, 2009-03-08 at 21:50 +0000, Lyle wrote: > > How about rendezvous in a friendly pub near by. Once we are all > together, we visit Hamilton House for a few mins then maybe the pub > crawl Alex was on about? Would be worth a shot at least once. There is a nice pub over the road in hillgrove st called the bell , has a good range of real beer , would be a good place to meet before hand. On your way there you will also get to sample some of the finest street art in the country . yay ! Toodle-pip Amias From webmaster at cosmicperl.com Tue Mar 10 00:22:26 2009 From: webmaster at cosmicperl.com (Lyle) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 00:22:26 +0000 Subject: [BristolBathPM] learn.perl.org revamp Message-ID: <49B5B2C2.4070108@cosmicperl.com> Has someone been peeking at my planned PerlPortal.com projects?? http://www.perlfoundation.org/eric_and_tina_improving_learn_perl_org Good on them though. Seems that some parts of the old network are open to change after all. Lyle From webmaster at cosmicperl.com Tue Mar 10 17:02:48 2009 From: webmaster at cosmicperl.com (Lyle) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:02:48 +0000 Subject: [BristolBathPM] Perl forums Message-ID: <49B69D38.1020102@cosmicperl.com> Hi All, Seeing this forum list posted to _ recently I wondered how many of them are in Perl. Seems that only 3 Perl forum scripts remain:- http://www.forummatrix.org/compare/E-Blah+mwForum+YaBB php is by far the most popular software for forums. Now I'm not sure if it's the economic downturn that makes me want to gripe about a couple of them... But... The way I see it is that if you are choosing one of them, your probably doing it because you want a Perl solution. Your choosing it over much more popular php options. So how do you feel when you visit:- http://www.eblah.com/ and http://www.yabbforum.com/ and see that both of those sites are in php? Personally I find this really off putting. Is it just me? Lyle From webmaster at cosmicperl.com Tue Mar 10 17:36:54 2009 From: webmaster at cosmicperl.com (Lyle) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:36:54 +0000 Subject: [BristolBathPM] Meet venue suggestions In-Reply-To: <1236601720.8903.10.camel@localhost> References: <49B13C23.6050306@cosmicperl.com> <1236353823.7699.43.camel@localhost> <50fec4060903070519p281e828cyfbeda5b2bd3aa47c@mail.gmail.com> <16afc9550903071240h4ad4c996ha59fc25a052b5f17@mail.gmail.com> <1236528974.14125.8.camel@localhost> <49B43DB4.9000305@cosmicperl.com> <1236601720.8903.10.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <49B6A536.8040506@cosmicperl.com> Amias Channer wrote: > On Sun, 2009-03-08 at 21:50 +0000, Lyle wrote: > >> How about rendezvous in a friendly pub near by. Once we are all >> together, we visit Hamilton House for a few mins then maybe the pub >> crawl Alex was on about? Would be worth a shot at least once. >> > > There is a nice pub over the road in hillgrove st called the bell , > has a good range of real beer , would be a good place to meet > before hand. On your way there you will also get to sample some of > the finest street art in the country . yay Would everyone agree to meet at the bell between 7-8pm? Then go check out Hamilton House, potentially followed by a crawl up Gloucester road? Anyone who is worried about being late could take my mobile number and call to see where we are at. We really should try and decide today, it's only a week to go... Lyle From pmh at edison.ioppublishing.com Wed Mar 11 10:01:17 2009 From: pmh at edison.ioppublishing.com (Peter Haworth) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:01:17 +0000 Subject: [BristolBathPM] Meet venue suggestions References: <49B13C23.6050306@cosmicperl.com> <1236353823.7699.43.camel@localhost> <50fec4060903070519p281e828cyfbeda5b2bd3aa47c@mail.gmail.com> <16afc9550903071240h4ad4c996ha59fc25a052b5f17@mail.gmail.com> <1236528974.14125.8.camel@localhost> <49B43DB4.9000305@cosmicperl.com> <1236601720.8903.10.camel@localhost> <49B6A536.8040506@cosmicperl.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:36:54 +0000, Lyle wrote: > Would everyone agree to meet at the bell between 7-8pm? Then go > check out Hamilton House, potentially followed by a crawl up > Gloucester road? Yes. Enough shilly-shallying about; this is the closest we've had to a definite plan for this meeting, so let's make it official. -- Peter Haworth pmh at edison.ioppublishing.com "If I employed software developers, and they gave me something like this, I'd shoot them." -- Abby Franquemont This email (and attachments) are confidential and intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient please notify the sender, delete any copies and do not take action in reliance on it. Any views expressed are the author's and do not represent those of IOP, except where specifically stated. IOP takes reasonable precautions to protect against viruses but accepts no responsibility for loss or damage arising from virus infection. For the protection of IOP's systems and staff emails are scanned automatically.? 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Some one suggested a providing a mobile number so that latecomers could catch up. In case I am late would it be possible to provide the number? Thanks Mark From: pmh at edison.ioppublishing.com To: bristolbathpm at bristolbath.org Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:01:17 +0000 Subject: Re: [BristolBathPM] Meet venue suggestions On Tue, 10 Mar 2009 17:36:54 +0000, Lyle wrote: > Would everyone agree to meet at the bell between 7-8pm? Then go > check out Hamilton House, potentially followed by a crawl up > Gloucester road? Yes. Enough shilly-shallying about; this is the closest we've had to a definite plan for this meeting, so let's make it official. -- Peter Haworth pmh at edison.ioppublishing.com "If I employed software developers, and they gave me something like this, I'd shoot them." -- Abby Franquemont This email (and attachments) are confidential and intended for the addressee(s) only. 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Just sent it as a private email (don't feel like putting my number on a public forum, I get enough telesales). Let me know if anyone else wants it. Lyle From nigel at turbo10.com Wed Mar 11 15:11:30 2009 From: nigel at turbo10.com (Nigel Hamilton) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:11:30 +0000 Subject: [BristolBathPM] Meet venue suggestions In-Reply-To: <49B7C8DE.90802@cosmicperl.com> References: <49B13C23.6050306@cosmicperl.com> <50fec4060903070519p281e828cyfbeda5b2bd3aa47c@mail.gmail.com> <16afc9550903071240h4ad4c996ha59fc25a052b5f17@mail.gmail.com> <1236528974.14125.8.camel@localhost> <49B43DB4.9000305@cosmicperl.com> <1236601720.8903.10.camel@localhost> <49B6A536.8040506@cosmicperl.com> <49B7C8DE.90802@cosmicperl.com> Message-ID: <50fec4060903110811s6da73a81y73f343e187551d3a@mail.gmail.com> > > > > I would like to come. I have not been before. Some one suggested > > a providing a mobile number so that latecomers could catch up. In case > > I am late would it be possible to provide the number? > > Just sent it as a private email (don't feel like putting my number on a > public forum, I get enough telesales). Let me know if anyone else wants it. > > Looking forward to the meeting next week - location sounds fine to me. Just a quick aside - I can't believe it has taken me this long to find: cpanp -i 'Some::Module'. I almost cried with relief this morning. It automatically downloads and installs from CPAN - great for installing modules on lots of remote machines. Up until today I've been muddling through with old school: perl -MCPAN -e 'install ...', cpan2rpm etc. Phew. Nige -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.bristolbath.org/pipermail/bristolbathpm/attachments/20090311/e90161c6/attachment.html From david at cantrell.org.uk Wed Mar 11 15:21:21 2009 From: david at cantrell.org.uk (David Cantrell) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:21:21 +0000 Subject: [BristolBathPM] Meet venue suggestions In-Reply-To: <50fec4060903110811s6da73a81y73f343e187551d3a@mail.gmail.com> References: <50fec4060903070519p281e828cyfbeda5b2bd3aa47c@mail.gmail.com> <16afc9550903071240h4ad4c996ha59fc25a052b5f17@mail.gmail.com> <1236528974.14125.8.camel@localhost> <49B43DB4.9000305@cosmicperl.com> <1236601720.8903.10.camel@localhost> <49B6A536.8040506@cosmicperl.com> <49B7C8DE.90802@cosmicperl.com> <50fec4060903110811s6da73a81y73f343e187551d3a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090311152121.GA3936@bytemark.barnyard.co.uk> On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 03:11:30PM +0000, Nigel Hamilton wrote: > Just a quick aside - I can't believe it has taken me this long to find: > cpanp -i 'Some::Module'. > > I almost cried with relief this morning. It automatically downloads and > installs from CPAN - great for installing modules on lots of remote > machines. > > Up until today I've been muddling through with old school: perl -MCPAN -e > 'install ...', cpan2rpm etc. You can also do: $ cpan Some::Module -- David Cantrell | Hero of the Information Age Anyone willing to give up a little fun for tolerance deserves neither From webmaster at cosmicperl.com Wed Mar 11 15:27:38 2009 From: webmaster at cosmicperl.com (Lyle) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 15:27:38 +0000 Subject: [BristolBathPM] CPANPLUS [was: Meet venue suggestions] In-Reply-To: <50fec4060903110811s6da73a81y73f343e187551d3a@mail.gmail.com> References: <49B13C23.6050306@cosmicperl.com> <50fec4060903070519p281e828cyfbeda5b2bd3aa47c@mail.gmail.com> <16afc9550903071240h4ad4c996ha59fc25a052b5f17@mail.gmail.com> <1236528974.14125.8.camel@localhost> <49B43DB4.9000305@cosmicperl.com> <1236601720.8903.10.camel@localhost> <49B6A536.8040506@cosmicperl.com> <49B7C8DE.90802@cosmicperl.com> <50fec4060903110811s6da73a81y73f343e187551d3a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49B7D86A.4090002@cosmicperl.com> Nigel Hamilton wrote: > Just a quick aside - I can't believe it has taken me this long to find: > > cpanp -i 'Some::Module'. > > I almost cried with relief this morning. It automatically downloads > and installs from CPAN - great for installing modules on lots of > remote machines. > > Up until today I've been muddling through with old school: perl -MCPAN > -e 'install ...', cpan2rpm etc. Funnily enough I just submitted a patch to Jos Boumans the maintainer (although not a patch for CPANPLUS, one for Config::Auto). Looking at the latest dev version of CPANPLUS seems there are some build errors on some systems. I was tempted to make this the next code contest... Lyle From something at amias.org.uk Wed Mar 11 17:48:45 2009 From: something at amias.org.uk (Amias Channer) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 17:48:45 +0000 Subject: [BristolBathPM] CPANPLUS [was: Meet venue suggestions] In-Reply-To: <49B7D86A.4090002@cosmicperl.com> References: <49B13C23.6050306@cosmicperl.com> <50fec4060903070519p281e828cyfbeda5b2bd3aa47c@mail.gmail.com> <16afc9550903071240h4ad4c996ha59fc25a052b5f17@mail.gmail.com> <1236528974.14125.8.camel@localhost> <49B43DB4.9000305@cosmicperl.com> <1236601720.8903.10.camel@localhost> <49B6A536.8040506@cosmicperl.com> <49B7C8DE.90802@cosmicperl.com> <50fec4060903110811s6da73a81y73f343e187551d3a@mail.gmail.com> <49B7D86A.4090002@cosmicperl.com> Message-ID: <1236793725.7807.19.camel@localhost> On Wed, 2009-03-11 at 15:27 +0000, Lyle wrote: > Nigel Hamilton wrote: > > Just a quick aside - I can't believe it has taken me this long to find: > > > > cpanp -i 'Some::Module'. > > > > I almost cried with relief this morning. It automatically downloads > > and installs from CPAN - great for installing modules on lots of > > remote machines. > > > > Up until today I've been muddling through with old school: perl -MCPAN > > -e 'install ...', cpan2rpm etc. > > Funnily enough I just submitted a patch to Jos Boumans the maintainer > (although not a patch for CPANPLUS, one for Config::Auto). > > Looking at the latest dev version of CPANPLUS seems there are some build > errors on some systems. I was tempted to make this the next code contest... Would it be so wrong to wedge cpan into the module loader so that if you use Some::Module and it doesn't exist perl can download and install to /tmp the missing modules . Obviously this isn't going to be good for production but it could be enabled by a pragma i.e use clusterfuck Toodle-pip Amias From david at cantrell.org.uk Wed Mar 11 18:15:29 2009 From: david at cantrell.org.uk (David Cantrell) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:15:29 +0000 Subject: [BristolBathPM] CPANPLUS [was: Meet venue suggestions] In-Reply-To: <1236793725.7807.19.camel@localhost> References: <1236528974.14125.8.camel@localhost> <49B43DB4.9000305@cosmicperl.com> <1236601720.8903.10.camel@localhost> <49B6A536.8040506@cosmicperl.com> <49B7C8DE.90802@cosmicperl.com> <50fec4060903110811s6da73a81y73f343e187551d3a@mail.gmail.com> <49B7D86A.4090002@cosmicperl.com> <1236793725.7807.19.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <20090311181526.GC17762@bytemark.barnyard.co.uk> On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 05:48:45PM +0000, Amias Channer wrote: > Would it be so wrong to wedge cpan into the module loader so that if you > use Some::Module and it doesn't exist perl can download and install > to /tmp the missing modules . Obviously this isn't going to be good for > production but it could be enabled by a pragma i.e use clusterfuck It would be *terribly* wrong, but this'll get you started ... package autocpan; push @INC, sub { local @INC = grep { !ref($_) } @INC; my $filename = $_[1]; $filename =~ s/\.pm$//; $filename =~ s/\//::/g; eval 'use CPAN'; CPAN::install("$filename") && eval "use $filename"; }; -- David Cantrell | Official London Perl Mongers Bad Influence You know you're getting old when you fancy the teenager's parent and ignore the teenager -- Paul M in uknot From dave at dave.org.uk Wed Mar 11 18:34:32 2009 From: dave at dave.org.uk (Dave Cross) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:34:32 +0000 Subject: [BristolBathPM] Meet venue suggestions In-Reply-To: <50fec4060903110811s6da73a81y73f343e187551d3a@mail.gmail.com> References: <49B13C23.6050306@cosmicperl.com> <50fec4060903070519p281e828cyfbeda5b2bd3aa47c@mail.gmail.com> <16afc9550903071240h4ad4c996ha59fc25a052b5f17@mail.gmail.com> <1236528974.14125.8.camel@localhost> <49B43DB4.9000305@cosmicperl.com> <1236601720.8903.10.camel@localhost> <49B6A536.8040506@cosmicperl.com> <49B7C8DE.90802@cosmicperl.com> <50fec4060903110811s6da73a81y73f343e187551d3a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <49B80438.4090309@dave.org.uk> Nigel Hamilton wrote: > Just a quick aside - I can't believe it has taken me this long to find: > > cpanp -i 'Some::Module'. > > I almost cried with relief this morning. It automatically downloads and > installs from CPAN - great for installing modules on lots of remote > machines. > > Up until today I've been muddling through with old school: perl -MCPAN -e > 'install ...', cpan2rpm etc. Your reference to cpan2rpm makes me think that you might be installing modules on a Red Hat(ish) system. In which case I'd like to strongly recommend that you don't mix CPAN-installed modules and RPM-installed modules in the same Perl installation. Bad Things will ensue. See my "Perl in RPM-Land" talk[1] for more details. You might also be interested in my CPAN modules yum repository[2]. I take requests :-) Cheers, Dave... [1] http://www.slideshare.net/davorg/perl-in-rpmland-presentation [2] http://rpm.mag-sol.com/ From nigel at turbo10.com Wed Mar 11 20:41:32 2009 From: nigel at turbo10.com (Nigel Hamilton) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:41:32 +0000 Subject: [BristolBathPM] Meet venue suggestions In-Reply-To: <49B80438.4090309@dave.org.uk> References: <49B13C23.6050306@cosmicperl.com> <1236528974.14125.8.camel@localhost> <49B43DB4.9000305@cosmicperl.com> <1236601720.8903.10.camel@localhost> <49B6A536.8040506@cosmicperl.com> <49B7C8DE.90802@cosmicperl.com> <50fec4060903110811s6da73a81y73f343e187551d3a@mail.gmail.com> <49B80438.4090309@dave.org.uk> Message-ID: <50fec4060903111341l7d0ff47at40edddd6a58a58fe@mail.gmail.com> > > > > Just a quick aside - I can't believe it has taken me this long to find: > > > > cpanp -i 'Some::Module'. > > > > I almost cried with relief this morning. It automatically downloads and > > installs from CPAN - great for installing modules on lots of remote > > machines. > > > > Up until today I've been muddling through with old school: perl -MCPAN -e > > 'install ...', cpan2rpm etc. > > Your reference to cpan2rpm makes me think that you might be installing > modules on a Red Hat(ish) system. In which case I'd like to strongly > recommend that you don't mix CPAN-installed modules and RPM-installed > modules in the same Perl installation. Bad Things will ensue. > Thanks for the tips. Fortunately I'm using Amazon EC2 so the majority of modules are stored on my master machine image which gets cloned. But there always seems to be "just one more module" that needs installing around the cluster after it is running. > See my "Perl in RPM-Land" talk[1] for more details. You might also be > interested in my CPAN modules yum repository[2]. I take requests :-) > Thanks for these links - and the pointers. I enjoyed reading your talk. 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Obviously this isn't going > > to be good for production but it could be enabled by a pragma i.e > > use clusterfuck > > It would be *terribly* wrong, but this'll get you started ... > > package autocpan; > ... This wheel has already been invented several times before: CPAN::AutoINC, Module::AutoINC, with Acme::RemoteINC as an intriguingly daft alternative. -- Peter Haworth pmh at edison.ioppublishing.com "it's like regression tests, only with less tentacles" -- Nicholas Clark This email (and attachments) are confidential and intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient please notify the sender, delete any copies and do not take action in reliance on it. Any views expressed are the author's and do not represent those of IOP, except where specifically stated. IOP takes reasonable precautions to protect against viruses but accepts no responsibility for loss or damage arising from virus infection. 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Obviously this isn't going > > > to be good for production but it could be enabled by a pragma i.e > > > use clusterfuck > > > > It would be *terribly* wrong, but this'll get you started ... > > > > package autocpan; > > ... > > This wheel has already been invented several times before: > CPAN::AutoINC, Module::AutoINC, with Acme::RemoteINC as an > intriguingly daft alternative. > Thanks for the pointers. On a kind of related note (things getting sucked into your coding environment) I'm having fun with applying the anti-pattern of GOD objects in Moose. I know it's 'wrong' to have a mega-God object that does everything - but being able to build attributes lazily in Moose has opened up a new opportunity to hang stuff off a generic object - when you need it. So for example all these things just magically become available when needed by any object[1]: $self->cache # connect to the memcache $self->db # grab a DBIx::Simple object $self->log # Log::Dispatch $self->timer # time the life of an object $self->config # application settings $self->res # web response $self->req # web request ... $self->app_specific_stuff_too The only downside is when I need to put an object into the memcache - I sometimes need to jettison stuff in the interests of space - but apart from that this is making my life a lot easier [2]. Nige [1] A kind of poor man's inversion of control (IOC) framework [2] Seeing glimmers of light at the end of the Moosification tunnel ;-) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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A developer might also join the LETS (in Bath) and enjoy the benefits of services such as massage, dog-walking and many others, offer services (e.g. .it expertise, or anything!) and maybe reap the social rewards of getting together with?other "traders". No pay, just potential Open Source kudos... Regards Andrew N ________________________________________________________________________ AOL Email goes Mobile! You can now read your AOL Emails whilst on the move. Sign up for a free AOL Email account with unlimited storage today. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Either way, this is certainly the avenue we'll be aiming for after the tech meet :) Lyle From webmaster at cosmicperl.com Tue Mar 17 15:12:46 2009 From: webmaster at cosmicperl.com (Lyle) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:12:46 +0000 Subject: [BristolBathPM] Meet reminder Message-ID: <49BFBDEE.70101@cosmicperl.com> It's tonight:- http://perl.bristolbath.org/?Meetings Lyle From markoconnor76 at hotmail.com Wed Mar 18 20:07:08 2009 From: markoconnor76 at hotmail.com (Mark O'Connor) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 20:07:08 +0000 Subject: [BristolBathPM] Meet reminder In-Reply-To: <49BFBDEE.70101@cosmicperl.com> References: <49BFBDEE.70101@cosmicperl.com> Message-ID: I went to the Bell I did not see anyone although I asked a couple of small groups who looked a bit puzzled. Sorry I deleted the email with a contact number. Mark > Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:12:46 +0000 > From: webmaster at cosmicperl.com > To: bristolbathpm at bristolbath.org > Subject: [BristolBathPM] Meet reminder > > It's tonight:- > http://perl.bristolbath.org/?Meetings > > > Lyle > > _______________________________________________ > BristolBathPM mailing list > BristolBathPM at bristolbath.org > http://mailman.bristolbath.org/mailman/listinfo/bristolbathpm _________________________________________________________________ Free photo editing software from Windows Live?. Try it now! http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/134665240/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sorry I deleted the email with > a contact number. > > Mark > > > Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 15:12:46 +0000 > > From: webmaster at cosmicperl.com > > To: bristolbathpm at bristolbath.org > > Subject: [BristolBathPM] Meet reminder > > > > It's tonight:- > > http://perl.bristolbath.org/?Meetings > > > > > > Lyle > > > > _______________________________________________ > > BristolBathPM mailing list > > BristolBathPM at bristolbath.org > > http://mailman.bristolbath.org/mailman/listinfo/bristolbathpm > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Windows Live Messenger just got better. Find out more! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > BristolBathPM mailing list > BristolBathPM at bristolbath.org > http://mailman.bristolbath.org/mailman/listinfo/bristolbathpm > From webmaster at cosmicperl.com Thu Mar 19 12:48:37 2009 From: webmaster at cosmicperl.com (Lyle) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 12:48:37 +0000 Subject: [BristolBathPM] Google summer of code update Message-ID: <49C23F25.3020506@cosmicperl.com> I know a couple of people were interested. Seems like it's moving now:- http://socghop.appspot.com/org/show/google/gsoc2009/dukeleto http://www.perlfoundation.org/perl5/index.cgi?gsoc_2009_projects Lyle From something at amias.org.uk Thu Mar 19 15:59:24 2009 From: something at amias.org.uk (Amias Channer) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 15:59:24 +0000 Subject: [BristolBathPM] Meet reminder In-Reply-To: <49C1702A.6000106@cosmicperl.com> References: <49BFBDEE.70101@cosmicperl.com> <49C1702A.6000106@cosmicperl.com> Message-ID: <1237478364.7858.5.camel@localhost> On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 22:05 +0000, Lyle wrote: > People page:- > http://perl.bristolbath.org/?People > (as always would be good to get more pictures on the people page) i would if i could but i cant login , my browser has a stored password but it doesnt work and makes it hang for 20 seconds or so. please set a password and mail it to me. Toodle-pip Amias From jaleto at gmail.com Fri Mar 20 10:21:26 2009 From: jaleto at gmail.com (Jonathan Leto) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 03:21:26 -0700 Subject: [BristolBathPM] TPF Accepted to Google Summer of Code 2009 Message-ID: <9aaadf9c0903200321xa933dfel631836179c3d6c31@mail.gmail.com> Howdy, Exciting news! The Perl Foundation was accepted to the Google Summer of Code 2009, if you know eligible students, please let them know and if you want to get involved, come hang out in #soc-help on irc.perl.org . More info with links to mailing lists and official announcements are here: http://leto.net/dukeleto.pl/2009/03/tpf-accepted-to-google-summer-of-code-2009.html Competition was fierce this year, about 400 organizations applied and only 150 were accepted, so let's make this the best year yet! Duke -- [---------------------] Jonathan Leto jaleto at gmail.com From webmaster at cosmicperl.com Mon Mar 23 22:10:30 2009 From: webmaster at cosmicperl.com (Lyle) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 22:10:30 +0000 Subject: [BristolBathPM] Tech meet update Message-ID: <49C808D6.3050509@cosmicperl.com> Hi All, At the last meet 5 of us sat round the table and tried to thrash out more concrete details for the tech meet. Here is what we came up with:- Saturday between 1pm and 6pm either on May 23rd or June 13th at Hamilton House. Date to be confirmed in a month. We will have main presentations as well as 5 min lightening talks. So far we have 5 confirmed speakers:- Alex Francis - Perl unit testing Patterns (main) - Eclispe (flash talk) Peter Howarth - (topic title yet undecided) Nigel Hamilton - Time and Perl Amias Channer - Server Monitoring with Perl Lyle Hopkins - Fixing the Perl mushroom - My recent Perl adventures - (I'm not sure which one will be the flash talk until I write them) If you want to speak, or want to change your talk title, please reply to this thread. Lyle From webmaster at cosmicperl.com Tue Mar 24 18:15:58 2009 From: webmaster at cosmicperl.com (Lyle) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 18:15:58 +0000 Subject: [BristolBathPM] Perl 6 hackathon? Message-ID: <49C9235E.6000507@cosmicperl.com> Hi All, I've been thinking at this would be a good idea. I know some Perl groups across the world have regular Perl 6 hackathons, but nothing seems to be happening in the UK. With the growing interest we seem to be getting in Perl 6 at each meet, I think it'd be great to have a Perl 6 introductory hackathon. There is rumour that one of our members has a large house with a pink BBQ ;-) Maybe they'd be interested in putting this together? From what I gather none of us have actually written any Perl 6 yet. I'm thinking we could have a "no knowledge needed" policy and it'd be 'fun' (and a lot more productive helping each other understand) to give it a go for the first time together. If this becomes regular we could probably help with development of Rakudo by submitting unit tests, etc. Thoughts on this? Lyle From something at amias.org.uk Tue Mar 24 19:26:43 2009 From: something at amias.org.uk (Amias Channer) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 19:26:43 +0000 Subject: [BristolBathPM] Perl 6 hackathon? In-Reply-To: <49C9235E.6000507@cosmicperl.com> References: <49C9235E.6000507@cosmicperl.com> Message-ID: <1237922803.10112.328.camel@localhost> On Tue, 2009-03-24 at 18:15 +0000, Lyle wrote: > I think it'd be great to have a Perl 6 introductory hackathon. yep , good plan. Toodle-pip Amias From markoconnor76 at hotmail.com Tue Mar 24 19:30:56 2009 From: markoconnor76 at hotmail.com (Mark O'Connor) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 19:30:56 +0000 Subject: [BristolBathPM] Perl 6 hackathon? In-Reply-To: <49C9235E.6000507@cosmicperl.com> References: <49C9235E.6000507@cosmicperl.com> Message-ID: If it is 'no knowledge needed' then I am more than qualified. I was sorry not to be able to identify you when I came to the Bell. I think it must have been two blokes sittting at a table on the left hand side of the pub facing the bar. I gave up about 7:30 pm. This does beg the question of my stereotypical view of what developers might look like. Oh well next time. Mark > Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 18:15:58 +0000 > From: webmaster at cosmicperl.com > To: bristolbathpm at bristolbath.org > Subject: [BristolBathPM] Perl 6 hackathon? > > Hi All, > I've been thinking at this would be a good idea. I know some Perl > groups across the world have regular Perl 6 hackathons, but nothing > seems to be happening in the UK. With the growing interest we seem to be > getting in Perl 6 at each meet, I think it'd be great to have a Perl 6 > introductory hackathon. > There is rumour that one of our members has a large house with a pink > BBQ ;-) Maybe they'd be interested in putting this together? From what > I gather none of us have actually written any Perl 6 yet. I'm thinking > we could have a "no knowledge needed" policy and it'd be 'fun' (and a > lot more productive helping each other understand) to give it a go for > the first time together. > If this becomes regular we could probably help with development of > Rakudo by submitting unit tests, etc. > > Thoughts on this? > > > Lyle > > _______________________________________________ > BristolBathPM mailing list > BristolBathPM at bristolbath.org > http://mailman.bristolbath.org/mailman/listinfo/bristolbathpm _________________________________________________________________ All your Twitter and other social updates in one place http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/137984870/direct/01/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If I can organise the Bristol team quickly enough to host the June tournament, I might be able to schedule it to miss the 13th, but we don't even have a venue yet. > We will have main presentations as well as 5 min lightening talks. "lightning" is fast. "lightening" is getting lighter > So far we have 5 confirmed speakers:- [...] > > Peter Howarth > - (topic title yet undecided) If you can't spell my name right, I don't see why I should have to think of a topic :-) I'm still trying to come up with something suitable, though. > Nigel Hamilton > - Time and Perl Hmmm. What about Gist? -- Peter Haworth pmh at edison.ioppublishing.com "I prefer `bytes' over `octets' because it's one shorter." -- Larry Wall This email (and attachments) are confidential and intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient please notify the sender, delete any copies and do not take action in reliance on it. 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"lightening" is getting lighter Noted :-( > > So far we have 5 confirmed speakers:- [...] > > > > Peter Howarth > > - (topic title yet undecided) > > If you can't spell my name right, I don't see why I should have to > think of a topic :-) I'm still trying to come up with something > suitable, though. I wasn't even drunk, sorry :-[ Lyle From alex.francis at gmail.com Wed Mar 25 19:00:07 2009 From: alex.francis at gmail.com (Alex Francis) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 19:00:07 +0000 Subject: [BristolBathPM] Tech meet update In-Reply-To: References: <49C808D6.3050509@cosmicperl.com> Message-ID: <16afc9550903251200k65c6831bxb68be5d9b1cfc41e@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Peter Haworth wrote: > > If you can't spell my name right, I don't see why I should have to > think of a topic :-) I'm still trying to come up with something > suitable, though. > How about "as many different half-sensible ways of implementing a spell-checker in Perl as I could come up with" ? Alex From psykx.out at googlemail.com Wed Mar 25 20:43:46 2009 From: psykx.out at googlemail.com (Max) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 20:43:46 +0000 Subject: [BristolBathPM] Tech meet update In-Reply-To: <16afc9550903251200k65c6831bxb68be5d9b1cfc41e@mail.gmail.com> References: <49C808D6.3050509@cosmicperl.com> <16afc9550903251200k65c6831bxb68be5d9b1cfc41e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 25 Mar 2009, at 19:00, Alex Francis wrote: > On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 3:01 PM, Peter Haworth > wrote: >> >> If you can't spell my name right, I don't see why I should have to >> think of a topic :-) I'm still trying to come up with something >> suitable, though. >> > > How about "as many different half-sensible ways of implementing a > spell-checker in Perl as I could come up with" ? > Or ways to implement text highlighting? Max > Alex > _______________________________________________ > BristolBathPM mailing list > BristolBathPM at bristolbath.org > http://mailman.bristolbath.org/mailman/listinfo/bristolbathpm From nigel at turbo10.com Thu Mar 26 14:41:20 2009 From: nigel at turbo10.com (Nigel Hamilton) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 14:41:20 +0000 Subject: [BristolBathPM] Perl 6 hackathon? In-Reply-To: <49C9235E.6000507@cosmicperl.com> References: <49C9235E.6000507@cosmicperl.com> Message-ID: <50fec4060903260741k67651f5avd7c30b193e3c0153@mail.gmail.com> HI Lyle, > There is rumour that one of our members has a large house with a pink > BBQ ;-) Maybe they'd be interested in putting this together? From what > I gather none of us have actually written any Perl 6 yet. I'm thinking > we could have a "no knowledge needed" policy and it'd be 'fun' (and a > lot more productive helping each other understand) to give it a go for > the first time together. > If this becomes regular we could probably help with development of > Rakudo by submitting unit tests, etc. > > Thoughts on this? > Great idea. I'll make sure the Pink Barbie is ready to go. I was thinking of hosting a Bath tech meet here but I think a Perl6 hackathon could be good fun too - I've never done one either and we can see how far we get. Everyone is welcome. We should do it sometime after the tech meeting and before XMas. 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Toodle-pip Amias From psykx.out at googlemail.com Thu Mar 26 18:22:40 2009 From: psykx.out at googlemail.com (Max) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 18:22:40 +0000 Subject: [BristolBathPM] Tech meet update In-Reply-To: <1238079895.8547.108.camel@localhost> References: <49C808D6.3050509@cosmicperl.com> <16afc9550903251200k65c6831bxb68be5d9b1cfc41e@mail.gmail.com> <1238079895.8547.108.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <245386FB-CB5C-4B92-84F1-5F4792EBC79E@gmail.com> On 26 Mar 2009, at 15:04, Amias Channer wrote: > On Wed, 2009-03-25 at 20:43 +0000, Max wrote: >> >> Or ways to implement text highlighting? > > or a system to spot typos , scan the offenders system for > vulnerabilities , break-in and resend the email with corrections ? > Or ways of banning users from posting while inebriated and waiting for other inebriated beings to appear in a quality establishment. Kind regards max > Toodle-pip > Amias > > _______________________________________________ > BristolBathPM mailing list > BristolBathPM at bristolbath.org > http://mailman.bristolbath.org/mailman/listinfo/bristolbathpm From webmaster at cosmicperl.com Sun Mar 29 16:42:40 2009 From: webmaster at cosmicperl.com (Lyle) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 16:42:40 +0100 Subject: [BristolBathPM] Tech meet update In-Reply-To: References: <49C808D6.3050509@cosmicperl.com> Message-ID: <49CF96F0.4000107@cosmicperl.com> Peter Haworth wrote: > I'm still trying to come up with something > suitable, though. How about "preparing a module for CPAN"? You could use the code contest module as an example. From concept to upload... tests... etc. Lyle From webmaster at cosmicperl.com Mon Mar 30 21:50:09 2009 From: webmaster at cosmicperl.com (Lyle) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 21:50:09 +0100 Subject: [BristolBathPM] Perl 6 hackathon? In-Reply-To: References: <49C9235E.6000507@cosmicperl.com> Message-ID: <49D13081.6020805@cosmicperl.com> Mark O'Connor wrote: > If it is 'no knowledge needed' then I am more than qualified. I was > sorry not to be able to identify you when I came to the Bell. I think > it must have been two blokes sittting at a table on the left hand side > of the pub facing the bar. I gave up about 7:30 pm. This does beg the > question of my stereotypical view of what developers might look like. > Oh well next time. > > Mark If you send me a pic I can add you to the people page and we'll know who to look out for :) Lyle